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Old 10-17-2009, 08:24 AM
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Yes, I believe in my own existence and also I believe in a Creator and I will explain why.

According to science our universe (space-time) has a beginning (arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9403004).This paper is written by the cosmologist Alexander Vilenkin of the Tufts university and Arvind Bonde.)

It is a fundamental law of physics (causality) that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause. Since space-time has a beginning there was a first physical occurrence. Causality requires that the first physical occurrence had a cause. Causality and the fact that space-time has a beginning implies that this Prime Cause is non-dimensional and independent of space-time.

To conclude the above paragraphs:
Fact: No thing nor event in the known universe or laws of physics lacks a cause.
Assume: There is no Prime Cause (Creator).
Ergo: There is no universe.
Fact: There is a universe.
Therefore: the statement that was assumed is proven to be a false statement by reduction ad absurdum (proof by disproof).
(Since "There is no Creator" is proven false, the opposite is true: There is a Creator.)

Being logically consistent (orderly), our (to say perfectly-orderly would be a tautology) orderly universe must mirror its Prime Cause / Singularity-Creator—Who must be Orderly; i.e. Perfect. An orderly—"not capricious," as Einstein put it—Creator (also implying Just), therefore, necessarily had an Intelligent Purpose in creating this universe and us within it and, being Just and Orderly, necessarily placed an explanation, a "Life's Instruction Manual," within the reach of His subjects—humankind.

It defies the orderliness (logic / mathematics) of both the universe and Perfection of its Creator to assert that humanity was (contrary to His Torah, see below) without any means of rapproachment until millennia after the first couple in recorded history as well as millennia after Abraham, Moses and the prophets. Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Torah —which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). (Some of the text is a quote from netzarim.co.il)

The fact that the Creator is perfect implies that He isn’t self-contradictory. Therefore any religion, and all religions contradicts each other (otherwise they would be identical), that contradicts Torah is the antithesis to the Creator.

The most common counter arguments are answered here: bloganders.blogspot.com/search/label/counter%20arguments)

That's why I believe in a Creator and follow His instructions.

Anders Branderud
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Old 10-17-2009, 10:53 AM
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Well yeaa...

According to your logics (which i agree with, 'cause and effect' i.e.), something or some chain of events would have had to create the so called god, divine being or w/e you fancy to call it.
Rather than adding another unexplained link (with no logics to it) to the puzzle and that link would be an mere rationalization, "easy way out".
It would be more correct to assume with those logics that there wasn't an inscentive event but, rather it has always been and kept going on.

After all something cannot come from nothing regardless of it's divine nature.
"I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant"- Alan Greenspan
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Old 10-19-2009, 04:03 AM
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Problem is, there's a ton of very different "offical manuals" that 'show' you the instructions...

But I think the meaning of life is to live it to its fullest (42), as we are a phenomenon not seen anywhere else so far.

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