The fall of human society.

[kevin1gamer]

As some of you are no doubt aware, some teenagers have chosen to make bad choices (pre-mature sex, sometimes even illegal drugs, tobacco, and pre-mature alcohol usage). Well, that is not what I am here to discuss, I merely pointed that out, because it is the tip of the iceberg, the tip which has now expanded and now collapsed in on itself, to an even more pre-mature level.

My little baby brother (and perhaps a few other little kids) likes women, I mean, he is only nine years old, and he is already taking an active interest in girls. He even made a bizarre claim today, about how he has a girlfriend at school.

The very thought of his interest at women at such a young age is not only disgusting, disturbing, and immoral, but it is also just plain wrong. Back in my generation (the "current" generation, one may say; in which case my little brother's generation would be the future generation), we did not get really interested in girls until around the age of 13 (the teenage age; no pun intended).

This is quite disturbing, I don't like to have some little baby banging little Mary Jane (made up person) down the street. This is screwed up, and I am disgusted by it. Back in the "good old days" (I feel old whenever I say that), such things would NEVER arise. One may even say that the current (high school) generation lived in a "simpler time". It is just so disgusting and insulting to have a 9 year old interested in the opposite sex, I mean really, they are supposed to think that they have cooties or something at that age.

Yet here are, in our little screwed up worlds. If you thought the teenage sex scene was bad, then look at what may become of America's future. Our founding fathers (please, don't say this is a bad example, because I know it is, it is a horrible example; be that as it may, I needed to use something to reach out to you with) did not create this country for little kids to fall in love with each other, that is saved for teenage years (and even in our teenage years, we are supposed to exercise some discretion, such as no-teen sex).

Don't give me the "people used to get married at the age of 11 back in the 17th century crap, because if you say that, then you are basically saying that we have devolved (we evolved in the 1990s, if not a little sooner, and now we are beginning to devolve). I know that some of you may not even know what I am talking about, since you may not have any younger siblings, but I also know that some of you do. I hope that some of you question some what you have previously thought after reading this, and I hope that it has opened your mind. I know at the top that I said that the little kids are the only subject here, but you can also discuss how the teenage-sex thing is also screwing up the human race, if you wish. What are your thoughts on this subject?



p.s.
Also, what do you think of my use of paragraphs, for like the first time on the Internet (I know, nobody uses paragraphs on the Internet, however, I thought I'd try it atleast once, to see if it suits me)?



p.s.s.
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[Letum]

I have to disagree with you, for one, your post is quite hypocritical (I'll explain so don't get angry yet, please :P)

You do realize the generation before your's took interest in girls when they were older than you were during your euphoric adventure to the unknown?
So, what you are now doing and writing about is exactly what they would have if they had the same possibilities (forums), though most likely they just talked about it amongst their kin (age-wise).

Though when you mention "simpler times" you aren't accounting the fact that those simpler times are mere memories, golded by magical force called Time.
I'm not going to say I know you better than you do but, at the very least you should consider the possibility that times haven't changed THAT much, maybe you have just changed towards being an.. mature person.
Maturity doesn't guarantee empathy or intelligence to percieve the situation at hand but, rather in my opinion, firm rooted beliefs.

Sure the kids are doing things earlier than we were but, the chatter about it is probably as old as our species is. Change is often seen as an enemy making it an comfortable topic to unite under, after all nothing unites men like a common enemy! :)


Members of this forum appreciate using paragraphs, very much to be honest :D


P.S.
That's just my opinion, I am more than certain that most in here agree with what you say and I am just the black sheep, so don't run away from these forums yet :D

[WhiteHawk]

First off, congratulations on the use of paragraphs. I don't think I would've managed to read it all if you didn't use them. :D

When it comes to the actual text, however, I have to say I beg to differ. Young boys always like girls, it's a matter of partnership. There's nothing disturbing about a little kid enjoying the company of a child of the opposite sex.
It would only be disgusting if, and only if he was interested sexually.

Nowadays kids are more extroverted, less shy. So it's natural they can talk to the opposite sex just as easily as they would talk to the same sex (in my day, most boys were shy talking to girls, and most girls shy talking to boys; but only because they were different, and they didn't know what to say). Today kids simply treat everyone like equal humans, boys or girls. This is partially because the modern society doesn't differentiate between women and men so much.

There's only a problem if there's any sexual interest here. I for one, don't believe there is any in your brother's case (I have an 8 year old brother) but I do admit "curiosity" now begins at an earlier age. Probably because of all the posters with advertising for underwear showing scantily-clad women...

[Vahn]

Alright, before this turns into a flame war, let me stress something.

If anybody keeps stating opinions as facts with regards to pre-marital sex and this gets heated, I will close this thread. Discussions are fine - calling some people "wrong" and others "right" for their views in said discussion is not what this forum is for.

This discussion is a matter of personal belief and opinion.

Example of how these things are only opinion:


...it ruins your life, it ruins her life, it ruins your parents life, it ruins the government's life lol, it's a horrible thing...

Personally, if I were not sculpted from a giant block of awesome as I am, I would take offense to this. My eldest niece has a beautiful son, and a beautiful daughter. She was not an adult when she had them, and she was not married until after. Her parents are not ruined. She is not ruined. The father of the children are not ruined. The two children - my great-niece and great-nephew - are not ruined. They are an unbelievably happy, loving, healthy family.

I fully understand that English is not the primary language of ever member on this forum. However, the official language of the forum itself is English.

I ask - politely - that before we present any arguments here, that you take a minute to decide how to word what you are stating. Please do not state opinions as facts when they most obviously are not facts.

Edit:
I just thought I'd add here, that I was interested in girls at age 9... And I am definitely from an older generation than say, you, kevin1gamer.

All of my male friends and peers, were also interested in girls. Most of us continued to remain virgins for many years after that age mind you, but the interests were still there.

Just sayin'.

Perhaps I am a godless heathen who will burn in spiked pits of hellfire for all eternity. Or, perhaps I'm not! One of the two.

[SunWuKong]

Pop Psychology 101: (Observation and Sugguestion; not attack)

Kevin, a lot of children (darn near all of them) pick up behavior and ways of thinking from for people around them. With the content of TV and the Internet being more and more free, you might want to keep track of what your brother is watching and be there to give context.

More pointedly, I noticed in your introduction thread that you mentioned; "I'm currently single, though hopefully not for long," that you like "girls," "I currently 'like' a certain girl," and that a goal is "get married (but not before having some fun, if you catch my drift)," Rather a lot of references to girls and activities to do with them. There is nothing wrong with this. However, you might want to watch your own behavior and words around your little brother. As a younger brother myself, I watched my older brother and learned behavior patterns from him. Some good, some bad.

[Undead]

In my opinion, people shouldn't tell other people whats acceptable and what's not, because it's constantly changing.

There was a quote I once read, I don't remember what exactly it was but it went something like "People tend to scoff at old traditions, while religiously following the new"

[Zekeen]

Ah, but undead, my girl chasing friend, there is a reason for what's acceptable and not.

1- young people are stupid, they ruin their lives with sex as much as they do with playing with guns. So many young people ignore sex rules and go and do it, then little mary is supporting a baby, drops out of high school, and the child is almost doomed to be a lower income person due to education their fry cook mother could afford if any. Bobby isn't excused from this either, if he gets caught as the father of the baby, he has to pay child support and will never be able to invest large amounts of money to further his plans. In the end, people are told what's acceptable sex-wise, the same way people are told what's acceptable on the road.

2- younger people having sex is DANGEROUS, and I'm not joking. A girl who has sex to young and get pregnant, well.... her life is in danger, and if she doesn't abort the child, or keeps it a secret, or is not smart enough to figure it out, she has a big risk of dieing in childbirth for having such a small frail undeveloped body.

3- they don't know how to practice safe sex, and they don't make a toddler edition condom with sesame street characters doodled on it....
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Now, it's time for GEOGRAPHER HOUR!!!!!!!!!!, with ME, your friendly forum friend with a degree in geography!

We are on a fall and rise of society.

Dark Ages - sex young, reason, died young, society level - low, reason - people liked stabbing too much, sex was also without care, and no safe sex options

1800's - sex young, but not too young, marriage was divine, the more frisky went to whore houses. Sex was somewhat under control. Society level was rather up there.

1900's - sex was looked down on, marriage was the big picture, early 1900's it was a super high society status, 1920's it dropped with rebellion and flappers.

mid 1900's - sex was for marriage only, people dreamed of marriage, loved their spouses, life was good and simple, society was at it's peak.

1960-1970's - sex was free, people rebelled from the government, freedom to do whatever - result, someone screwed a monkey (or so the start is said), then screwed 10 people, who screwed 10 people and so on - aids broke out. And so we had an epidemic - society level - rock bottom

1980-1990's - aids fear shot people back into moderation, some still wanted to be free, some just discovered they cut off 30 years from drug abuse and STD's, children were being taught to try and be safer. Society level - moderate

Current - many releases of STD prevention have shifted people into less moderation, but knowing the past keeps it up. However.... negligence of child behavior and TV and internet have let them get their first knowledge of sex earlier making them curious and wanting to try more and more, and with so many safe options, they will try until the next epidemic kills them, society level - moderate but dropping



But, to finalize this all-

I was interested in girls at 3, no joke, seriously, I've wanted to get married my whole life. I learned of sex in middle school.... later middle school.... my dad was a bit of a prudish religious nut with no balls, so I got the sex talk at 16 AFTER I knew it all. Yeah, way to help years and years after lol. But here I am, a nut job 23 year old virgin, yup I know the dangers of sex, and more so, I know the dangers of future relationships of having fun now, who wants to be compared to past lovers? That'll ruin it. So yeah, I liked girls at 3, am socially superior in the sense of withholding and staying by logical basis of it, and I am waiting for marriage.



But, a kid interesting in girls non sexually early on, is more likely to be a nice romantic type and probably want marriage. But if they want sex early on, it's REALLY screwed up.

Down here, a family celebrated on their 10 year old elementary school daughter giving birth.......... society has fallen a long way, whether or not your neighborhood shows it.

[Sabata]

I have to agree with the original poster mostly. When it comes to the younger generation or two in much of society today (particularly that of the Western nations), they have become much more loose when it comes to traditional social morals, such as sexual relationships as an example. I think we, as a whole, have definitely lost something since the 1960s. Whatever it is, I don't see us getting it back soon, with the direction the world is being driven today.

Just for the record, I'm twenty years old, and I've yet to meet that special someone in my life, but I'm not particularly concerned with that right now, as I've got other things to worry about, such as school, and my future career life. Sorry to sound cliche, but... stay in school, it'll do you more good than bad in most cases.

[WhiteHawk]

While that essentially just happened in the post above this, I'm going to treat it as a warning to the thread as a whole.

Oh? I'm sorry, but I thought I was actually being very respectful and somewhat neutral on the issue. I hope no one was offended - unless I'm misinterpreting this. =P

[Vahn]

Whitehawk - that statement was not directed at you (strange that it's quoting SunWuKong as saying it, even though it was in my post...)

There was originally a post in between ours -- it has since been deleted at the request of the poster, and I removed that quote from my post to reflect this.

Thank you for being respectful. Same goes to those of you who have been, and who will continue to be.

It's 4:30AM. I want to say something clever, to get us all back on track now, but I am failing. So let this sentence serve that purpose, and everybody can pretend it was a clever way of saying it.

[SunWuKong]

Okay, that was a little weird. I didn't remember writing that.
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[HeniuriSaito]

While I myself find it somewhat disturbing to see 9 year old kids having sex, it is not entirely awful as it seems for the original poster.

If you think closer about history, let's say the cavemen and the romans: they almost forced their children to have sex from the age of 12, in some cases even less. Their moral codes were very different from our christian-society codes, or ocidental culture. And that is a fact.

Making children "holy" only started at the mid 1800's, before that children were often taught the art of war, to kill, to fight, to rule... which is, by our standards, far worse than premature sex.

I say this to show why I actually accept these things, however I do so mostly because close friends/kin of mine never had problems with it. I started hating stupid kids that got teen pregnancy when my cousin got pregnant at the age of 14, now I just don't care for it is inevitable.

Thinking about it, it could be far worse than the wee wee in the goo. And anyone who heard their parents complaining about us doing things way before them would agree.

Since it is part of the thread, I started liking women by the age of 6, by the way, not in intercourse-related way, but more of a love and care thing, probably because I watched too much jiraya and jaspion.