HTML/C++ Questions

[Kuraku Hideaki]

Would it be a good idea to study html before c++, or does it have nothing to do with C++ whatsoever? Because i am looking at all the programming language and it seems to have nothing to do with html, but i thought it would be a good idea just to check ;)

[Redb@ck]

Ive done VB for a month at school, i can now make a box appear on the sceen, and when you click it, it says "My name is Mitchell, how are you" Im so proud :p ;) Beebe out.

[Kuraku Hideaki]

lol, i can do that with javascript, i can also make a box appear everytime you move the mouse :) its VERY annoying...

[Tekashi]

Go C++ you need is for game programming, Beleave me thats what im getting ready to go to college for.

[Sykoi]

HTML's syntax is a lot different from C++, so I suggest learning either C++ or PHP first.

In my personal experience - if you learn an easier language (Like PHP), you can learn C++ a lot faster; PHP is easy, useful (For web-based content), and free.

http://www.phpfreaks.com has some tutorials

If you want to jump right into C++ - try http://www.cplusplus.com, they have a great tutorial thats completely free.


A word of advice: Don't try to make anything too complex to begin with, otherwise you'll get fed up and want to quit.

[Tekashi]

Lol what sykoi said i got burnt out :(

[Aidamina]

I've been a programmer for many years now and i started in quickbasic, then vB and php and now C++. I must admit to what sykoi said. Learning an easier language before c++ will help you learn it faster. But believe me if you dont have any programming skills try java. ( Many people will flame me for this ) But Java is a very interesting language which supports OO Programming very well. If you managed to learn the syntax of java try basic C after that goto C++
I wish you the best of luck there are a lot of good tutorial and guide sites out there and google is your best friend!

If you need any help just ask.
PS Dont learn HTML ( has nothing todo with programming at all )
Feel free to edit my post Ashley, i know you want to :D

[Sykoi]

Actually, Java forces OOP - and OOP is one of those things you HAVE to learn if you ever want to make a big project, and save yourself some time.
(OOP = Object Oriented Programming)

[icedflames]

Ive learned QB and Vb, but should you learn all these languages to build a firm foundation on learning like C++ or Java?
Or can you skip learning them or will it help you?

Is HTML totally different from the other languages?
(I'm haven't learned this stuff yet =O )

~IcedFlames

[Sykoi]

HTML can't really be considered a language; its simply parsed by a client and isn't compiled, or processed in any complex way (Like php, java, or C++)

QB and VB are far too simple, and their syntax are far different from C/C++'s syntax.

If you want help learning C++ - learn PHP or java first; it'll help in the long run and make learning C++ less of a hassle.

[Kuraku Hideaki]

thanks for the info this really is helping me ;) right now im looking at some java sites, and some basic C++ tuts and writes that are covering the basics :) I will become a game designer... one day...

[ToshiMaru]

:( wow, everyones so good at all these things, im a little embarressed that im on the TDojo Project....I barely know about html, and still learning. I should probably get into PHP as soon as i can. Can someone post here, a little suggestion of what to learn first? then what? then what? I know that if we have a lot of us being abled to program, Tatsumaki will become great.

[Kuraku Hideaki]

from what i hear so far: php > java > C > C++ is probably the best road to take from us youngsters ;)

[ToshiMaru]

that sounds like a good idea, but i wouldnt say that html is nothing. Html is actually pretty good for web designing, so i say HTML > php > C > C++, oh, and whats does C stand for anyways?

[Kuraku Hideaki]

i say - learn everything, html, css, java, c, c++ etc. but start early, that way you will know all :P

[ToshiMaru]

Then HTML is officially over with me, after this weeks tests, and stuff, I'll start learning these codes and stuff. I'll need them for the near future.

[Kuraku Hideaki]

cool :cool: but remember, pay attention in maths, it will help you later on in your C++ career ;)

[Sykoi]

HTML is always required; PHP is simply 'read' by the server, and then it spits out the data.

Clients NEVER see php, always html - html will always be required.

[nobody4422]

Since were on the topic of languages, what opinions do you guys think of this thing called Darkbasic and C# as compared to C++. Ive gotten recommendations for both but, I dont have too much experience with either.

[Sykoi]

I'd steer clear of using any BASIC-based language in a serious manner, as it was originally meant to teach freshmen in college how to program in the early 90's (Aka - its slow, the syntax is too forgiving, etc.).

As for C# - I have yet to use it, but have had heard good things about it.

[hashc0de]

my programming genealogy:

basic -> vb4 -> vb5
pascal -> c -> c++
java -> jsp
php
python
perl

the way i wish languages were taught:

python/javascript -> java -> c -> c++/c#

learn everything else after that.

[Xeus.Tsu]

I would suggest you start off with PHP. In the process of learning PHP you will also in effect be learning HTML as the most common use for PHP is to create dynamic content on a website. These are both scripting languages and are pretty leniant and easy to use, with C-style code in the php.

I actually knew a little bit off html before I learned php, but I only begun to grasp it when using php to generate html code. Then with php you can really start doing some interesting things like using databases to store information and change website content based on input. This is also a very visual and rewardin way to learn programming as opposed to learning all sorts of oop programming to run some console where you can run a few simple commands.

Additionally... If you do want to learn Object oriented programming, PHP is capable of this even though at this point you may want to move towards Java, C++, or C#.

The selection of these languages really depends on what you would like to do. I enjoy website design and PHP works very well at this. Where as eventually if you want to do game programming then C++ would seem to be the popular choice. Application developement sames to favour Visual Basic, C#, and Java.

I hope this information is helpful in your decision about learning to program. Most specifically keep in mind that programming is really a way of thinking, so once you know one language the only difference is learning the nuances between the languages.

[Soil]

that sounds like a good idea, but i wouldnt say that html is nothing. Html is actually pretty good for web designing, so i say HTML > php > C > C++, oh, and whats does C stand for anyways?

To my understanding C doesn't stand for anything, but back when it was originally created there was a prior language being used called BCPL which was usually refered to as just B, and C being the next letter in the alphabet and this new language being to one to surpass the old B, was called C.
Edit: goto here for a quick history of how C was created. http://www.jakeo.com/words/clanguage.php
Thompson created B out of BCPL for the old 8 bit Unix which didn't work out to well and Thompson and Richie soon created C and it is true for it being named based on C being the next letter in line after B. So there you have it :)

But i've also read some references as it being a musical comparison. As with the new C# being "See Sharp". But i'm not 100% sure on that.

[Xeus.Tsu]

C# is pronounced C Sharp but I am unable at this time to find where the name comes from. I do remember somewhere reading about how the name was soemwhere along the lines of following the going from C to C plus plus plus, and instead of going c plus plus plus they went with C sharp. But I don't think I remembered it precisely.