Tenchi has a request.

[Tenshin]

Tatsumaki is a game, designed for people to get together and have fun. Not a big animated chatroom to discuss issues in the world today, and have debatable disputes. So why would our forum be anything more than people having fun, talking and pretty well playing with posts? Some people, it seems, think that they can come on the forums and call everyone morons. Some people think we need a serious topic of discussion to call ourselves a community, that we need passionate discussions on a forum board for a video game. I don't care if someone is a new member, or a super moderator, they have no right to call the members of this tight knit community morons.

We're a tight knit community, for a reason. We avoid debates, and passionate discussion, because we're all different people, with different opinions, and of different ages. Happy, lighthearted conversations and posts are what make us such a good community; the fact that we don't make threads simply to disagree with one another. Maybe some people don't like that idea. Maybe some people think our community is filled with idiots because of the forum games we play. I don't know about all the other members of this forum, but if I want to challenge my brain or learn something, I'll read a book, or go on a debate forum. This is a game forum.

So my request; if someone doesn't like the way we interact on this forum, please be so kind as to screw off, and find another forum; possibly one of individuals with the same superior intellect as you. Thank you.

Oh, and don't be a pussy about it.

[Tomoshibi]

Gee, I'm sorta confused what this all is about. This has definately one of the nicest forums I've ever been on. I agree with Tenchi though - but is even needed? Only once have I encountered a butthole on these hallowed pages, and I'm pretty sure he won't try that again. Perhaps things will get nasty when we become more popular, but I'm peachy with the atmosphere of the forums right now. : )

[Tenshin]

Don't know if you noticed the thread in this forum that drove this post, as I was trying to be subtle, but up front, but might as well be blatant about it for people who don't know what I was talking about. http://www.eoeforums.com/showthread.php?t=1339

Not sure about the rest of you, but what Ashley had to say most definetly offended me, and although some of our thread are pointless; like the counting thread, it hardly makes us morons. I was surprised and appauled that a super moderator would let such a crude and loose tongue on her own community. I'm one to agree with people when a good point arises, even if it's against my standing, but I can't stand idle at such a direct attack to my own community.

I mean, obviously if no one has posted a debatable discussion, it's not a concern in our forums. If I wanted to debate something, I'd start a debate rather than scolding everyone else for not starting a debate.

[Tomoshibi]

...Ouch, I'll have to agree with you on this one Tenchi. I do suppose everyone has a right to free speech and all of that, but hypocrisy really annoys me. She begins by labeling everyone as impassionate morons, then continues by saying no personal attacks - including insulting one's intelligence! I'd be the first to admit that our posts may not always "intellegent", but they are still interesting. Despite her ranting, her posts don't seem too thought provoking at all. I suppose it is possible I missed the good ones, but still... Anyways, I can only find one way to conclude this little rant of mine. I usually feel the little smilies are pointless, but this certainly deserves one: :mad:

[Yukie]

Why? The lot of you seem like morons. No one has any passion. No one has any discussion.

What's really left to discuss? I think we've gone over ninjas about a bajillion times now, until EoE releases some new information, i honestly dont think we have anything else to talk about, so i dont see harmless threads like "The Counting Thread" hurt anyone, its really just there to kill time while we wait for something new to talk about.

I have very little faith in this community. Someone start an intelligent debate, and prove to me that you can be serious about something.
Use english to the best of your ability. Proper grammar. Spell check, please. I'm fairly certain this is a rule anyway, but even more so here.
No personal attacks. Includes calling someone adolencent or immature. Insulting someone's intelligence.

You say we're not allowed to insult people, yet you brand us morons, pussies and fools? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

I agree the use of 1337 speak is wearing thin and it wouldn't kill people to proof read what they type. However, not everyone has perfect english or an extra half an hour to proof read their post. So long as its at least somewhat readable, I dont think anyone would really complain.

Your posts must further the conversation, and not just state that you agree with someone who posted previously.

Have you ever heard the expression "You took the words right out of my mouth?". Why cant someone agree with another poster on what they think is also a good idea?

Please reply again Ashley, id love to debate your post with you ;) .

Edit: Sorry for somewhat hijacking this thread Tenchi, i just didn't feel this needed a thread for itself.

[Tenshin]

Oh no, please, this was just what this thread was intended for. Oh, and I agree with you! :D

[Mokurei]

Sorry to be rude to Tenchi, Tomo, Selmo and Yukie, but while I fully agree that it was pretty abusive and quite lame to criticise this community, this belongs in PM's with ashley, not here. There's already one thread that's crossed a line, let's keep this one from getting too large imo.

[Yukie]

I agree with you Moku, however this is a Super Moderator, arn't they supposed to represent EoE?

I can understand a normal person inciting a thread like that, but surely a Super Mod should know better? Even if they felt that way about the community, wouldn't it have been better to PM Sykoi or instead of criticizing (i cant spell that word >.<) the community about lack of discussions, participate and create some of their own?

[Mokurei]

Hehe, yeh I just had a big IRC convo about it, apparently we are the only people who got offended by this, how dumb of us to not let people walk all over us.

[HajimeSaito]

Tatsumaki is a game, designed for people to get together and have fun. Not a big animated chatroom to discuss issues in the world today, and have debatable disputes. So why would our forum be anything more than people having fun, talking and pretty well playing with posts? Some people, it seems, think that they can come on the forums and call everyone morons. Some people think we need a serious topic of discussion to call ourselves a community, that we need passionate discussions on a forum board for a video game. I don't care if someone is a new member, or a super moderator, they have no right to call the members of this tight knit community morons.

We're a tight knit community, for a reason. We avoid debates, and passionate discussion, because we're all different people, with different opinions, and of different ages. Happy, lighthearted conversations and posts are what make us such a good community; the fact that we don't make threads simply to disagree with one another. Maybe some people don't like that idea. Maybe some people think our community is filled with idiots because of the forum games we play. I don't know about all the other members of this forum, but if I want to challenge my brain or learn something, I'll read a book, or go on a debate forum. This is a game forum.

So my request; if someone doesn't like the way we interact on this forum, please be so kind as to screw off, and find another forum; possibly one of individuals with the same superior intellect as you. Thank you.

Oh, and don't be a pussy about it.



lmao awesome....that just bout sums everything up

[Sykoi]

I'm sad to see that everyone took a topic I encouraged ashley to create, the wrong way.
Before I say anything else, I must get something off my chest: EoEForums is NOT a forum for Tatsumaki: Land at War! It has a sub-section for Tatsumaki, but it is not solely for Tatsumaki. I had created eoeforums.com in hopes that topics like what ashley wants, would eventually be created and thrive.


Tatsumaki is a game, designed for people to get together and have fun. Not a big animated chatroom to discuss issues in the world today, and have debatable disputes. So why would our forum be anything more than people having fun, talking and pretty well playing with posts? Some people, it seems, think that they can come on the forums and call everyone morons. Some people think we need a serious topic of discussion to call ourselves a community, that we need passionate discussions on a forum board for a video game. I don't care if someone is a new member, or a super moderator, they have no right to call the members of this tight knit community morons.

First off, please read what I said above.
Secondly, Ashley is one of our oldest members. She didn't just decide to drop in by accident.


We're a tight knit community, for a reason. We avoid debates, and passionate discussion, because we're all different people, with different opinions, and of different ages.

Thats what makes debating fun


This is a game forum.

Once again, no it is not.



Not sure about the rest of you, but what Ashley had to say most definetly offended me, and although some of our thread are pointless; like the counting thread, it hardly makes us morons.



The lot of you seem like morons. No one has any passion. No one has any discussion.

She never called anyone here a moron, she is just pointing out the fact that we lack any passion in our topics.



What's really left to discuss? I think we've gone over ninjas about a bajillion times now, until EoE releases some new information, i honestly dont think we have anything else to talk about, so i dont see harmless threads like "The Counting Thread" hurt anyone, its really just there to kill time while we wait for something new to talk about.

Once again, she (And I) just want threads that are more involving than counting numbers :p



You say we're not allowed to insult people, yet you brand us morons, pussies and fools? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

She never referred to anyone as a moron, or a pussy - the pussy part was to not be afraid to express yourself, it wasn't a personal insult.

[selmo]

Once again, she (And I) just want threads that are more involving than counting numbers

lol IM SORRY! You can close it whenever it was just a joke, and there is only one of them plus i started a discussion thread "A Well Lighted Place" its not about religion!!! I want it to be a literature evaluation!

[Sykoi]

I'm okay with the counting thread, but it does make the community seem pretty pointless.

I don't want it to stop, but I want some bulk to it or have bulk elsewhere

I enjoy heated debates and discussions that make you think, so it'd be nice to see them here :p

[Yukie]

lol IM SORRY! You can close it whenever it was just a joke, and there is only one of them plus i started a discussion thread "A Well Lighted Place" its not about religion!!! I want it to be a literature evaluation!

Why are you sorry? If it wasn't for you we probably wouldn't have been posting anything. - That was in response to the counting thread.

[selmo]

http://www.eoeforums.com/showthread.php?p=17832#post17832
I tried Hope you enjoy it everyone.

[Sykoi]

Its a start, but I'd really love to see more. However, the main thing I'm worried about (I think ashley is too), is someone coming in and throwing it completely off-topic; which is the reason she put those hard-to-follow rules in her post... If everyone just replied with 'I agree with that', and nothing else - the debate would be pointless.
Personally a few subjects I wouldn't mind touching on:

-The future of computing through quantum processors (Not really a debate, but interesting).
-Evolution vs 'Intelligent Design'
-Religion in School (Ties in with the topic above)

[Abc]

You know, when i first read ashley's post I took no offense what so ever, because I knew she wasn't talking about me or personally attacking me in any way. I understand everyones objections to her post and I agree with their points. However, we are getting no where by debating her post. Just everyone hold their tongues, wait, and watch. This may in fact help the forum in a tremendous way.

BUT let us not forget that to have a rewarding debate we have to respect each others ideas and way of thinking. So, no more name calling (in any way) and no more demeaning other people for how they talk or how they think. This is only if you want to have a serious discussion which is exactly what sykoi and ashley where suppossedly shooting for. Thats all I have to say, take it however you want.

[selmo]

Well what I asked people to do is an evaluation of what they think Hemingway was attempting to do. As for the other topics Id be interested to see peoples reactions to the.

[Sykoi]

Abc has it right, debating in the forum would make it a slightly more enjoyable place; however some people have a misconception of what debating truly is - its not arguing, its not name calling, and its not supposed to get anyone angry.
Its just debating a topic from both sides, and accepting the other person's view as long as they can back it (As opposed to saying "I'm right, you're wrong")

Selmo: Your post is good, people will eventually reply to it... Its just something that requires heavy research first.

[Hiromi]

Sykoi, we have had interesting posts. I, for one, liked debating the politics in the 'Bush doesn't care about black people' thread. But once we got into a good, honest debate (there was no mudslinging or anger except for one questionable poster), you locked it and told us to keep our political opinions off the forums. It was a far better discussion than, say, the counting thread, and you penalized us for speaking out - then you complain that we're not writing 'intelligent' enough. That doesn't make much sense to me. Nobody wants to get banned, so we go back to the pointless threads.

I totally agree with what you're trying to say, I would definitely like to see more in-depth discussions going on in the forums - but if you want us to voice our opinions, let us voice ALL of them. We're adults and, most importantly, friends - I think we can handle it without the fear of getting locked/banned.

[Sykoi]

I apologize for that, however I want to keep politics off of the forum - even if it stays civilized, it always eventually goes bad.
People have strong opinions about Bush and tend to get angry when discussing his presidency.
But thats not the point, the bush thread was meant as a joke thread, not a debate thread :p

[Hiromi]

I know it was meant as a joke thread - but isn't that what you're complaining about in the first place? You'd like us to take the posts to a deeper level, and we did. Granted I know a lot of people that CAN get angry about politics, and I understand that...but there was no anger in that thread - which is my point. Every debate has the potential to get out of hand. Locking it while we're still being civil to each other makes no sense. Granted if it had slid into a match of "U R Sux!" "No U R!" it would merit being locked...but not when we were still just respectfully voicing our beliefs. :)

If you want to keep politics off the forums, I can be okay with that - but I just want to know that we're allowed to speak our mind freely as long as we stay polite.

[SunWuKong]

[Not intended as a personal attack. More than one person has made comment about the 'worth' of the forum.]

It could have been written using less 'offensive' words. People shouldn't use words like 'moron,' because people on forums tend to react to things as negatively as possible. Borders on Trolling. (We may not know each other well enough to understand that someone is not intending to be offensive. Lack of body language doesn't help, either. Emotes can only go so far.)

Another, more positive, way would be to start threads yourself. Instead of relying on others to make the forum what you want - Lead by Example.
If you want more serious discussions, start them. Don't wait for others, then criticize them when they don't deliver.

[Abc]

See, that is my point right there. Do not rely on someone else. If you want something to happen, then take the initiative. If your too tired or lazy to do it. Then don't post. Wait for a better time. Frankly, I think this was a sorry attempt at starting a discussion thread or forum. I mean no offense to anyone. However, if you want to do something, don't rely on others. Just DO it.

[ComicP]

ok, i like to be the pissy person, so i'll say it
What of those of us that are too smart that we can answer any question you throw at us, but too retarded to do anything that actually requires work?
Some of us live off of act and react.

[nobody4422]

What all is there to "passionatly discuss". There are only so many topics out there, and even fewer that large numbers of people want to talk about. The big ones are religion and politics (its already been stated that we should avoid politics so thats gone, and religion is not that much better). There have been a couple debates on japanese history (which Im sure we all know SO much about) tatsumaki game mechanics, Ive tried to start a techincal discussion about the advantages and disadvantages of the various operating systems out there. There have been interesting discussions on these forums. Just maybe not the types of discussions that were wanted I guess.

While I understand that these forums werent intended solely for use with the Tatsumaki game, Id have to say that most, if not all, members of this forum are in fact here for the game. So most of the conversation is going to revolve around the game in one form or another. Sorry if this wasnt what was intended, but until something else comes along that attracts people to this forum, most likely Tatsumaki will dominate the thread topics.

As far as topics go its very hard to keep a discussion going. Either people just dont care about a particular topic, dont know enough about it, or it is too sensitive for people to even talk about. A common thread which ties everyone here together is an interest in gaming, so it would be a pretty saafe and easy area to keep a conversation flowing. However, there are only so many times you can talk about which final fantasy you like best or how much the Xbox 360 will own the PS3, it does get old.

Religion and politics while do spark heated debates usually degenerate into flamefests and people being genuinely offended. People tend to stay away from these topics because, well apart from general apathy, it would cause the overall community to suffer. Not to say that people cant or shouldnt, just offering a possible reason why.

Finally the main problem with Ashley's post is not the fact that she would like to see more discussion, but how she went about saying it. This point has already been made, but I have no problem beating it to death. The way she went about the post was very harsh and if I were the type of person to care about such things I would have been really insulted by it. As it was however I just read it, laughed, and called her a *****. What really gets me though, and something that will do it every time, is the fact the she took so much effort to criticize but none whatsoever to fix what she saw was the problem (ie starting a discussion herself, unless this thread counts, but then it would go to Tenchijin).

Its the whole "Everyone needs to go do this because I said so but Im not gonna do it just because." thing.

EDIT: Auto censor? I wondered why I saw all of these **** around.

[ShininShado]

First off, I think the fervent way the first few answered this thread showed their loyality, and that is good for the community.

I can see both sides to this. On one side you have Ashley, whom is a long time forum member/moderator; on the other side, you have several newer members whom post regularly, are very active on the forums, and not only participate in discussions, but start them from time to time.

In my eyes; Ashley could have worded the post a little differently. SunWu summed up what I think mostly. Another thing to take into consideration about Ashley's post is the fact that without regularly visiting, it is easy to to: get the wrong impression of the daily activities of the forums, wonder what happened to the forums' general state, and be out of touch with the average member. On the flip side of that, I see why the message was posted, and even though it was to encourage or empassion members, the choice of diction and overall tone possibly could subvert those efforts.

This is no way an attack on Ashley in any way shape or form, I think it's a good idea and do agree that there has been a gradual degeneration of the content posted. It not a recent thing.

I see the members of the forums joining in different "generations". Generation 1 was the administrators, and a few of the other members from the older forums. This generation is marked with lively discussion about game dynamics like death, land ownership, political power, etc. Discussions were open-ended and varied in topic. IE: Will there be A?

Generation 2 (when I joined) has more members joining, but the foundation is set. There are still several discussions on a daily basis about game dynamics, but most of the discussions move from a generalized realm of discussion to a more specific area. IE: It is no longer discussed if there will be element A, but how element A will be implimented, and specific details about said element.

Generation 3 is marked with discussion about less important aspects of Tatsumaki, the bells and whistles if you will. It is during the phase or generation, that the shift goes from discussions about game dynamics and move towards discussions about trivial things. IE: Funny jokes thread, funny movies thread, etc. This generation is also the emergence of several different diverse and unique families, which great roleplaying is born of.

Generation 4 (the current generation) has around 50% of the active members joining in this generation. This generation is marked by: a degeneration in grammar, almost no game discussion pertaining to Tatsumaki, sophmoric posts becoming less rare and more the norm, and no real interest shown towards Feudal Japanese facts. This generation is also what new members see. Instead of seeing interesting posts about a little know fact of Feudal Japan, they might see "Which is Better?" type threads. (I have no problemo with threads like that or the counting threads, if people enjoy it and it's in the right forum, go for it.)

This is my take on the whole situation. In the past I've taken it upon myself to start or restart(you can change your view posts parameters at the bottom of of the screen, go back six months and look at some of the good discussions) discussions, but, almost all of my posts dealt exclusively with facts pertaining to Feudal Japan and how that will effect gameplay in Tatsumaki. Now, I have less time, as well as the fact which was brought up by someone else, almost all of the major details of the game have been hammered out and there is little or no need for discussions of them. If more intellectual discussion is what is needed then there needs to be an enviroment/reason/inspiration/platform for that, which is formed overall by the teamleaders/moderators/administrators of a forum.

In closing, I applaud Ashley for making the statement and commend those that came to rally to the defense of the community. Nooooow, we just need something to discuss, haahaha. Perhaps Ashley's post will reignite that passion I once had.

[Tenshin]

Well, I don't see how what she said could have come across as anything else but offensive. Once again, I'm one to agree with such things, and I see where she's coming from, with our many useless posts. But if the moderators and admins find that there is a lack of intelligent conversation in the forums, they should encourage it, rather than discourage the opposite. But all in all, I said what I had to say, and there's no taking it back. I still understand what Ashley says, and forgive whatever offenses I have taken. Hopefully she'll put more thought into how she words her opinions and communal requests next time around, and hopefully everyone's taken her point, and have been inspired to do something about the aimless conversations in the forums.

I do partake in intelligent discussions on other forums, namely hip hop forums, because the people there are on that same "each one teach one" level. Maybe I'll spread some of the knowledge here. If Ashley is wise, she'll see this whole thread as even more insentive and back for her point under everything. Now that my initial offense is out of the way, and I see the scheme of things, it's better that there was an open thread about this, it brought a wider awareness of Ashley's topic and point. Peoples opinions and the many ways that they've expressed themselves in this thread, only encourage the more intelligent postings... So off I go, to think of something smart to say ^_^.

[ashley]

I've been avoiding posting anything because I don't think it would have gotten us anywhere. But now that you're over the shock, I think its safe.

I have already told those of you that PMed me that (except Tenchijin's, I really don't know what to make of that. If you could explain it, I'd appreciate it.), from previous experience, I do tend to believe that the most effective way to get people here to do something is to shock them. Some of you may think this isn't the case, but this thread only supports my argument. To be honest, I'm fairly happy with the result. You've proven that you're capable of intelligent discussion - that you're capable of disagreeing with one another. And, on top of all that, it didn't devolve into a flame war as many of you had feared. What threw off a lot of you the most was my comment about the community being full of "morons." I forget that people here don't know me anymore. I constantly call myself a moron. Which could be the basis of a debate:

Do we know anything? Personally, I don't believe in facts, I don't believe in science. Science is just a new religion. In time, man will look back on our beliefs today and laugh, much like we laugh at beliefs of mythology. Or are we getting smarter? Are we finally getting it right? And, if we are, what happens when we know everything?

(Note; trin tohtally agrees with me and I tohtally had him look over this post.)
Edit: This thread will be split.

[selmo]

Yes, I see what you did ashley provoked us in a way challenged us to show you up heh I guess I got kinda hot headed... and I love how my intelligent discussion has no replies -.- all it is is an analysis of a 4 pages short story...