Ninjas Overated?

[Ronin]

it seems that lots of people on here want to be ninjas, but think about it for a second. Assassination is most likely gonna be really hard and ninjas aren't going to be the dominant forces (or so i have heard) and if everyone becomes a ninja, then we'll just have people running around in the shadows doing "stealth". I no it will be fun to be a ninja, but you have to think bout it. Poisons will probably be available to normal alchemists and traps could be used by lots of people. I'm just trying to present my thoughths here, o and i did different parts of this over a few hours, so if it repeats or nething like that it was cause i am lazy, go swordsmen!

[moses]

i think it just seems that alot of people will wanna be ninjas, but that is also among six hundered dedicated people to the game. As the wiki said (or maybe it was on the forums ><) the tests to become a ninja are going to be very hard. This will probly prevent at least some people. Also if ninja is really hard then certain people who buy the game, who arnt super dedicated will probly change to a different profession because of the work to be a ninja.

I think its about 1/3 to 1/2 the people on the forums (active that is) that wanna be ninjas. Also, even if your a ninja you still have to have alternate jobs/lifestyles to "cover" their identity. And since there are man aspects of the game, farming, fishing etc, combat may not going on 24/7 so it most likely wont be everyone running around in stealth mode. Also ninjas normally dont fight without a target so they shouldnt just be running around fighting/assassinating peoples.

Anyway thats my thoughts, im really tired so if they dont make sense i apologize.

[Ronin]

:D I'm just reeally posting this thread to get everyone's take on ninjas, the title would attract peoples. So post your opinion about ninjas here!

[ninjaxmaster]

Yes, and no...

...yes, they are over-rated, because in all reality they could not take on a samurai in one on one combat, unless the ninja were to surprise the samurai and just stab him before the samurai could even act. Lot's of 'newbies' later on are going the think ninja will be able to dominate the battle field, but in all reality, they wouldn't do too well, unless the opposing forces were, like, very unskilled townsfolk, forced into a war.

Then no, because, they do have the upperhand when it comes to the element of surprise, but only in a one-on-one situation, say, for assassinating someone, it would/should be short battle, or even no real 'battle'. What I mean is, a ninja could poison their target via blow darts or similar, and never have to get in any real conflict...

Anywho, that's just my two cents...

[Ronin]

it should be difficult to assassinate though, because ninjas can't have ever had a 100% kill rate in assassination. like you would have to target the lower neck if you wanted to evascirate them from behind and if you missed the spot you will have to fight the person you were trying to assassinate, though it will most likely be bleeding even from a messed up stab

[moses]

Ninjas were known to also help fight on the battlefield, using some of their own tricks of course, but indeed, they would be no match for a samurai one on one. I do think that they could fare well against basic footman/peasant forces.

[Ronin]

of course... it would be no fun if you couldn't use some tricks on the battlefield right? like sneaking past te enemies troops and trying to kill the commander

[nobody4422]

Everyone wants to be a ninja stereotype, not many people have really expressed an interest in being a "true" ninja.

Everyone thinks "Ninja, oh boy, I get to wear balck, lurk in the shadows, use blinding powder and assinate people". This is not what ninja were, this is what myth, legend, and 1980s cinema has made them into. Everyone wants to be a ninja becaus ethis is what they think ninja are. While Im not going to argue that some ninja did do this this is not what they were as a whole. This description be more accuirately describe a commando, or thief.

Overall, I would say they are not overrated, really just misunderstood. If people would stop thinking of ninja in terms of this stereotype, then a lot fewer people would want to be them.

But while were on the subject. Samurai, arent they a bit overrated as well?

[Ronin]

ok, onto samurais i guess? well i'll start it off. Samurai? yes they are a bit overated by animes where one samurai goes into a entire gang and kills them all with secret techniques. like i recently read some Samurai Deeper. The Kyo guy kills giant gangs all by himself and can dodge attacks at amazing speeds. that is overrated.

[Sykoi]

Please post in the correct area next time, or label your thread correctly.

[Ronin]

? i thought this would be the right place

[Sykoi]

Read the 'read me' files at the top of each forum.

[Ronin]

it still looks like the right forum to discuss this....

it's about the types of proffesions people will be trying to take in Tatsumaki

[ToshiMaru]

not to mention he mass killed a thousand men in one battle single handedly, but heh, thats fantasy, and its those kind of things that makes us want to be them. Personally, i can never see myself being someone that's not related to war; its all i know. :rolleyes:

[Ronin]

lol! I agree! warmongers rule!

[Jin]

I don't think they're overrated in general really. I thought the same as well when I first came here, but you have to look at the population of T;LaW. There are many people who also want to be samurai or master swordsman, etc. There is definately a large percentage of those people as well, especially if they want to engage in open combat (samurai) rather than use guerrilla tactics (ninja). There is always going to be exaggerations and not just for ninja, but for samurai and others as well, but only the true ninja/samurai/etc. will last.

Oh yea I also disagree on the comment that ninja would not stand a chance against a samurai. Ninja trained just as hard as samurai did. They received teachings of military strategies and religious philosophies from Chinese ex-patriots as well as their own ideals and tactics. Also, few but some ninja were ex-samurai. Ninja were very versatile and had an array of different weapons to their disposal depending on the situation. As heavily perceived, they were not just trained in the arts of assassination or stealth. It was only a mere branch of ninjutsu. So, I'm not saying that ninja would completely dominate a samurai or that they would always win, I'm just stating that ninja definitely would be a tough match against a samurai and saying ninja have no chance is a big understatement.

[Mokurei]

Yeh but a ninja who's specialty is assassination and stealthy movement would need to get the first blow (and it would have to be a crippling one, at that) to beat a samurai. And I don't really think we should allow ninja's to be absolutely awesome...I mean along with the other skills they'll get, it'd be plain damn overpowered for them to be any good against a samurai. For this matter we'd have to look at this as the game it is (an MMO) rather than reality, If a samurai is a "tank" then the ninja would be the stealther/assassin. That assassin shouldn't beat the tank if he doesn't open with a stealth move. We need to take the standard MMO approach imo for class balance.

[selmo]

I was thinkin about bein a ninja atfirst but then I thought abot it and i figured id rather be a crazy fighter guy..

[glowsticknation]

the thing about ninjas is that they aren't over-rated at all. they're no holds bar killing machines, thats all they do. the thing most wanna be ninjas don't realise is its incredibly hard to achieve their goal because their weapon is stealth and not edge. stealth being the ultimate weapon, but most wanna be ninjas won't know how to use it to fool a human player, sure you can go splinter cell and fool some dumb AI, but a player is much smarter than the AI in those games.

so just my take, no they aren't over-rated, i feel they're about equal. moses' ratio of 1/3 to 1/2 is innacurate in my opinion because most people (more like 3/4) would like to possess the ultimate weapon of stealth, but its just not a realistic expectation that the game would be solely comprised of ninjas, because then it would be a stealth fight, which is boring.

in the end, blacksmith > samurai/ninja... just because you guys are nothing without the men who make your instruments of death.

[selmo]

enless you sharpen a stick on a rock! i shall steal kill you wiht thie pointed stick! or jsut roast smores

[glowsticknation]

enless you sharpen a stick on a rock! i shall steal kill you wiht thie pointed stick! or jsut roast smores


smores for the win







:bad:

[Ronin]

They will have to be able to pierce through armor to assassinate neways

[glowsticknation]

from the sounds of it, you'd be surprised at how few people owned armor in that period of time... it was basically a samurai only thing, and even some samurai didn't have armor.

[Ronin]

i guess i would be surprised... lol

[Anarchy]

ninja were about stealth, stealth, and more stealth
whenever they infiltrated enemy lines, they will kill one person.. themselves, or the enemy commander

they'd have a hard time getting past a dog, letalone a guard
so i'm sure you would be surprised to hear that these "killing machines" had to dress up as women to do it

[Kinjo]

IMO it comes down to the person

There were many school of Fencing and a few schools of Ninjutsu

If you have read the book "Musashi" as many of you probably have, then you will know that in fuedal Japan it wasn't a case of "ninja vs samurai" Ninja were often the secret police, the SAS or Navy seals if you will, samurai were the foot troops the Marines, the Army

But there were some Samurai who excelled at fencing, hence the reputation samurai had for being great warriors. But there were also Ninja who were great masters of fencing also, but less known are they because they had to remain a secret. Hanzo Hattori is one legendary figure who's name became well known outside the secret circle.

So as in life, its never as simple as Karate beats Kungfu etc, it all comes down to the person.

But I honestly believe if a extremely skilled Samurai fought a Extremely skilled Ninja they Ninja would win for 1 reason.

Honour

A noble samurai would not have his honourable victory taken away from him by killing by dishonourable means. Ninja however would win by any means possible. Even if it meant pulling a gun on his ass :P

Theres no use complaining about your opponents dishonourable tricks when ur already in the dirt dieing.

The samurai's obsession with honour has been proven to be a weakness in warefare by the mongols who more than likely would have taken over Japan if it wasn't for a freak storm or a act of god if you will :)

[Tenshin]

Well most likely people will start their game, try to become a ninja, and give up cuz it's too hard. The people who genuinely want to be a ninja, and not just cuz it's cool will be the people who become ninjas as i'm sure it'll be excrutiatingly difficult to become one.

Ronin, you're starting to sound like the simpson's comic book guy.

As for Samurai, they don't make anime about a typical samurai, they make them about extraordinary ones, who are extraordinarily skilled. It's better that way.

[Ronin]

lol, thanks i guess, and as for Kinjo you are correct, if the samurai was bound by honor it would lose, but if it wasn't, then it would beat the ninja. This is just my opinion

[Mokurei]

Well, what samurai *isn't* bound by honor?

[Jin]

If you have read the book "Musashi" as many of you probably have, then you will know that in fuedal Japan it wasn't a case of "ninja vs samurai" Ninja were often the secret police, the SAS or Navy seals if you will, samurai were the foot troops the Marines, the Army

But there were some Samurai who excelled at fencing, hence the reputation samurai had for being great warriors. But there were also Ninja who were great masters of fencing also, but less known are they because they had to remain a secret. Hanzo Hattori is one legendary figure who's name became well known outside the secret circle.

^Yes, I totally agree, further emphasizing my point on ninja being a tough match for a samurai regardless of the ninja getting the "first blow". The reason why most people do not really know about the ninjas' combat prowess is because their history has been shrouded and mostly undocumented (or undiscovered).


We need to take the standard MMO approach imo for class balance.

There's no actual "classes", but skills or techniques you can learn, but I know what you are trying to say. Remember that attaining ninjutsu training will be supposively extremely difficult, so their techniques should give them a slight "advantage" if you will. If you do not want to dabble in ninjutsu techniques anyway, I'm sure the developes will develop (or players?) counter techniques against them.

BTW, this is a really good debate/topic, heh.

[Ronin]

I won't be bound by honor and neither shall ne people who join my band

[ComicP]

ninja's are only overated because crazed sterotype we americans place on them. think about it. what's the first thing that come s to mind when some one says ninja? a guy wrapped in black cloth with nunchuhcks and stars ready to throw, right? what if that wan't true? how cool would they be then?

[Kinjo]

Actually I can see probably just as many Samurai as Ninja characters when you have famous characters everyone wants to roleplay, I expect to see a lot of variations on names like Musashi, Jubei, Kenshin, Senjuro, Kojiro etc

Personally I would love to have a Bo Staff Master named after the Character who was very evenly matched with Musashi in the book, or perhaps the other guy with the Kusari-gama who very nearly beat Musashi also.

Im not naming names (because I want those names for my chars ! MUHAHA)

[Jin]

Sorry this is off-topic, but cool avatar kinjo, haha!

[glowsticknation]

how cool would they be then?

about as cool as the teenage mutant turtle variety of ninjas

[Munglai]

I'm not sure how ninjutsu would work practically in a game against other players, it's mainly about attacking during the opponent's attack (ie. they go to hit you and you kick them before they can reach you), which I don't think would be able to be simulated easily.

And being bound by honour isn't really a weakness if you value your honour over your life.

[ToshiMaru]

I'm not sure how ninjutsu would work practically in a game against other players, it's mainly about attacking during the opponent's attack (ie. they go to hit you and you kick them before they can reach you), which I don't think would be able to be simulated easily.

And being bound by honour isn't really a weakness if you value your honour over your life.

not necessarily, the way i see it, ninjitsu is about spying, and attacking the opponent before they attack you. so if you think about it, its more like cheating than honoroble fighting, but heh, who cares. this games all about experimenting.

[Kinjo]

Im sure the Mongols probably were not affraid of dieing either, and they didn't need a complex system of Honour to gain victory. Im a big fan of the bushido code but I am not so sure it had a place in large scale warfare.

[Munglai]

not necessarily, the way i see it, ninjitsu is about spying, and attacking the opponent before they attack you. so if you think about it, its more like cheating than honoroble fighting, but heh, who cares. this games all about experimenting.

I mean if someone learnt ninjutsu as a martial art and didn't necessarily become a ninja afterwards. Although ninjas like to avoid hand to hand combat, they do learn a good deal of it and it would be a very hard style to create realistically in a multiplayer game.

[Jin]

Just wanted to to clarify that ninjutsu was much more than just spying and attacking the opponent before they attack you. Read our family library when you get the chance. (and when the new family system gets back up first, heh)

[nobody4422]

its more like cheating than honoroble fighting.

Theres no such thing as either one in a life and death fight.

[Melf]

Just thought I'd offer some of my research to help clarify (and reiterate some of what was mentioned in another thread) the frequent misunderstandings, stereotypes, assumptions, beliefs, and misconceptions about the samurai and ninja.

Common Misconception about Ninja (paraphrased): Ninja were dishonorable, and used underhanded techniques that samurai would never use, and [ninja] were a seperate, lower class from samurai. (more detail here (http://www.geocities.com/klancesegall/Ninja.html))

Ninja were very often Samurai themselves. As explained in the above link, "...two most famous [ninja] in history, Hattori Hanzo and Yagyuu Jubei, were both samurai. Hattori Hanzo, 'Devil Hanzo', was Tokugawa Ieyasu's chief of clandestine operations, and was noted for being from Iga, a hotbed of [ninja] activity. He ran Ieyasu's spying campaigns, and possibly more. As a senior retainer, he held the rank of Hatamoto--now, one couldn't be a hatamoto without being a samurai..."

In reference to the roles of a ninja, I quote these two people from a Japanese History Board. Some of the members are scholars themselves. (These were quoted by another member on another topic as well)

"When his army took to the field these men were mounted samurai who rode ahead of the army. They would scout ahead to prevent ambushes and reconnaissance to locate the enemy army, keep track of its movement, count their numbers, send reports back of their findings.
"When their own army is encamped, they perform sentry duty. They would be tasked to locate and intercept their enemy counterparts. They would gather intelligence by taking prisoners enemy scouts, sentries and messengers.
"When battle began, they fought as mounted samurai. Due to their advanced knowledge of the enemy composition, they could infiltrate, identify and eliminate enemy commanders, to disrupt and cause chaos in the enemy ranks. The simple act of removing the sashimono banner from behind their armour could enable them to 'mingle' with the enemy. Even before battle began, some could already be among the enemy ranks acting as spies, provocateurs, and saboteurs.
"These were the 'real' ninja of many of the samurai armies of the Sengoku period, samurai trained in covert operations.
"In certain situations, entire samurai armies operated like ninja in commando-style night attacks, ambushes and guerilla warfare. Ninja tactics were not alien to the rest of the rank and file samurai.
"In the event of a defeat and retreat, these men were also tasked as rear guard. To delay and disrupt enemy pursuit. The Shimazu left behind samurai as 'booby-traps'. They lay with the dead and acted as snipers.
"Because of their special training in counter intelligence, they were also very effective as personal bodyguards for daimyo. Who better to catch a ninja, but a samurai trained as one?
"During siege operations, special units of trained samurai would infiltrate the enemy castle disguised as enemy samurai. They would gather intelligence and caused chaos within through assassination and arson. They would aid the attacking army by eliminating sentries and opening the gates."
- Evalerio, Japanese Samurai History Forum

and...

"The Yagyuu family--owner's of Ueno Castle in Iga--were well known practitioners of ninjutsu. Yet again, however, they were samurai--even serving as the kenjutsu instructors to the Tokugawa shogunate.
"What you're losing sight of is that "ninja" or "shinobi" is a role--it's a specific set of covert jobs. "Samurai" is a status--a class. You were samurai if you were born samurai, whether you commanded a squad of ashigaru, fought in the cavalry, performed espionage, or were in charge of the kitchens or road construction.
"Ninja" activities could range from the popular notion of assasination by climbing over the castle wall, sneaking past guards, killing a rival lord, and disappearing into the night to traveling around spreading false rumors, to reporting information overheard. It's a Venn diagram--the samurai circle is big, and only a small portion of it intersects the "ninja" circle. However, the "ninja" circle is small, and most, but not all, lies within the "samurai" circle. I'd draw this for you, but the software here doesn't allow it. True, the maid who overhears a conversation she shouldn't and passes it to the enemy for a small fee may not be samurai, but that's definitely within the realm of "ninja" activity--hence, she's part of the small group inside the ninja circle, but outside the samurai one."
- Itdomer98, Japanese Samurai History Forum

Now, on to the samurai...

From The Top 10 Misconceptions about Samurai (http://www.geocities.com/klancesegall/home.htm):

- Samurai hated guns, calling them "cowards' weapons" (http://www.geocities.com/klancesegall/1.htm)
- All Samurai followed a chivalrous code of ethics known as "Bushido" (http://www.geocities.com/klancesegall/2.htm)
- A samurai was simply someone who followed the bushido code (http://www.geocities.com/klancesegall/4.htm)
- Ninja were cowardly, mystical assassins whom had a rivalry with the samurai (http://www.geocities.com/klancesegall/6.htm)
- etc.

I also read someone say that it was due to Honor that the samurai were defeated by the Mongols. This doesn't sound quite right. If you look back at history and, more specifically, how the Japanese actually fought during those times when they waged war compared to how the Mongols waged war, one may understand better.

The Japanese, prior and during the Mongol Invasion(s) (Kamakura era, 1192 - 1333), fought their battles in one on one duels. This was literally and simply how war was fought. Two armies would approach each other and individuals from each would come forth and fight it out till one won. When the Mongols attack, they fought with (what was then) modern battlefield tactics where they would actually charge and attack with the entire army. How could the Japanese, who have no experience with this type of fighting at the time, fight back? Indeed it is fortunate for them that the weather was in their favour. Also, bushido wasn't in existance at this time. That code of honor was an invention of the Edo period (circa 1603 - 1868).

Please, forgive me if this is found to be intrusive, rude, or is otherwise unnecessary details, but I'd hope to help educate. I mean no offense.

As per the topic of the thread, I agree that ninja are simply misunderstood...severely, lol. Same with the Samurai. I'm a bit of a purist, traditionalist, elitist when it comes down to these sort of details...that's actually why this game interests me so much. I love it's heavy emphasis on realism!

afterthought: Seriously, though...this is history. If you were to look at most meticulous and/or reputable Japanese history communities, this is the sort of information you'll find...most books you'll find aren't very accurate, unfortunately.

[BigNinjaPimp]

its the melf man.

-ninjaman1234

[selmo]

Melf all that research was good but i think this thread was based on the ingame ninja.

[kensai_zen]

a ninja will only reveal himself and attack if he knew the enemy was unprepeared and off guard

a samurai is taught to be on guard from attack all the time...even while sleeping (its true... but most samurai couldnt do it)

id say a stalemate... in the end it will all come down to the players, if you think your a badass ninja but you play one like a samurai then your pretty messed up

*applaud melf* lol saves me having to write all that stuff up. no offence to anyone but most people have miss conceptions as to what samurai and ninja really were

[Rez]

Well, as far as Samurai Vs Ninja goes (in game) It could go either way. Thinking back to when I was playing alot of MMORPGs.... alot of people are just plain STUPID! So I think it would be easy to kills a samurai or ninja if they are just sitting there saying "ROFLS, I smoked that mofo, I pwns all you n00bs" And so you walk up and attack while he is typing MWAHAHA!

Ok well, I had something good thought out but you guys get this post cuz I forgot what I was thining.

But ya, If you an older person who owns at games and you duel a 7 year old playing on his/hers brothers/sisters character... your prolly going to win the duel. Samurai or not... even if your a peasant your prolly going to win.

Toodles

(Wow that looks alot like Noodles, think I might go make some)

[ComicP]

meh, good point

[Tenshin]

Either way it depends on the person. If your samurai is better than your ninja, you'll get owned, and vice versa. Also depends on conditions. Anyways, this was all a diversion so Icansay: HORRAY FOR ONTARIO! >_>

[Melf]

Melf all that research was good but i think this thread was based on the ingame ninja.

Ah, I see. Still, I'd like to see a game that uses a more historical based ninja...covert-op samurai! Sounds like they could be fun *shrug*

its the melf man.

-ninjaman1234

Whoa! It's you!

[KazeKuroi]

About this arguement...

Ninjas DON'T work alone.
Ninjas DO have tricks and proper usage of tricks can cause them to kill a samurai but not alone but they are never alone. That's why they come in clans.
Ninjas on occasion are ex-samurai.
Ninjas on occasion are ex-Shoguns and other Military Powers.
Ninjas protect eachother, and is thought of as a form of a Mob.
Ninjas power is the unity of so many. (thats what makes them feared in japan, there was never just a lone ninja.)
Samurai's work alone, unless the people they work for can pay for more then one.

I like the idea of having something differcult to play. Ninja's are actually pretty honorable, They just don't believe in killing themselves if they fail at a task. Traditionally, they will kill themselves to prevent from leaking information, because they are dedicated to their clan.

Don't try to discurage people from playing what they want to play. I am sure this game will have ninjas as realistic as can be. Always keep in mind, Ninjas try to use everything to their advantage.

[Jin]

Ninjas DO have tricks and proper usage of tricks can cause them to kill a samurai but not alone but they are never alone. That's why they come in clans.

I don't know about this statement...I know the Togakure ryu (along with various other ninpo bujutsu) had several techniques to defeat any enemy, even samurai. Of course the person has to be well trained and has a close enough skill level against the enemy, but with all of that given, the ninja should be able to defeat the enemy or be a good match. There's some techniques in Togakure ryu to even fend off more than one enemy as well, heh.

And I'm pretty sure ninja had to be alone for some of their missions and such. If you meant that they're never alone as in always in a clan, I doubt that also because there were renegade ninja that left their clan and hired their skills for mercenary work.

[Munglai]

Most of the time ninjas would be in groups of two or three so they could use co-operative climbing techniques to get to places they wouldn't have been able to otherwise, confuse victims with noises/attacks etc. from all different sides and because you can make much less human-like shapes with two or three people. Three people moving together can pretend to be a tree pretty effectively.

[Akoni Koukoheki]

Yes, and no...

...yes, they are over-rated, because in all reality they could not take on a samurai in one on one combat, unless the ninja were to surprise the samurai and just stab him before the samurai could even act. Lot's of 'newbies' later on are going the think ninja will be able to dominate the battle field, but in all reality, they wouldn't do too well, unless the opposing forces were, like, very unskilled townsfolk, forced into a war.

Then no, because, they do have the upperhand when it comes to the element of surprise, but only in a one-on-one situation, say, for assassinating someone, it would/should be short battle, or even no real 'battle'. What I mean is, a ninja could poison their target via blow darts or similar, and never have to get in any real conflict...

Anywho, that's just my two cents...sorry im late to get in on the convo... im sorry but you are mistaken in saying this... as a practicioner in Ninjutsu i can say that even the martial art is really IMPOSSIBLE to master... ther is a variety of weraponss... the reason being the original ninjas were simple farmers... the samurai would use peasants fdor mere sword play often killing many for "practice" ninjutsu was created to defend them selves from the samurai its sole purpose was to defeat the samuraia... later some clans began training them to become even more efficent sand hence the battle field ninja... but theywere able to take a samurai one on one...

[Aucillion]

it seems that lots of people on here want to be ninjas, but think about it for a second. Assassination is most likely gonna be really hard and ninjas aren't going to be the dominant forces (or so i have heard) and if everyone becomes a ninja, then we'll just have people running around in the shadows doing "stealth". I no it will be fun to be a ninja, but you have to think bout it. Poisons will probably be available to normal alchemists and traps could be used by lots of people. I'm just trying to present my thoughths here, o and i did different parts of this over a few hours, so if it repeats or nething like that it was cause i am lazy, go swordsmen!


I dont so much want to be a Ninja per say but I would like to fiddle around with the ninjutsu combos a bit see if I like them I mean its just such a cool martial art how can one not want to atleast look at the training :)

[Mouko]

Your right ninjas are over rated but it couldent hurt to learn ninjitsu to spy on people and sneak up on them
I could be very usful for bandits and theives
But if there were gaurds around a target they wouldnt be able to do Jack Squatt
thats why assasinations are overated,these high ranking offiacials and players will usually have bodygaurd, like you plan to do ronin

[nirobu]

melf you are my GOD!! thank you! i knew only 2 of those misconceptions on the link you put, i really think both ninjas and samurais we see now are too hollywood-ish, i hope this game gives us what REAL ninjas and samurais really are.

P.S. whatever u guys may bring, ninja or samurai, i will own you all!!! hahahaha...
:p (joke):-P

[Eversio]

Eh excuse me if this noob is wrong. But wherent the first few ninjas in history just peasant rebelling against a emporer? all they did was dress up in black clothes or green and use old rusted or even broken swords (they are peasants not military and swords back then supposedly wherent easy to get?) they would ambush and fight but would loose if caught thats why they moved to mountain tops to live secretly in clans...

[Svage]

That is pretty much the truth of the matter Eversio. That is how they started, but the best thing about ninja is the myth. They cultivated the fear and mystery so that they would have a psychological advantage. But in truth the early "ninja" were nothing more than rebellious peasants.
The way I see it, The ninja you do see is the destraction for the assasin you don't. A ninja has a reputation that makes it draw attention when seen, so the real killers can slip in behind the guards and take care of business.

[Eversio]

I loved how the ninjas as well abused the hell out of there swords :D sticking them into walls to make and extra step and they never had them sharp just pointed so they never really sliced just stabed right threw the victim.